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Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.

Free and independent research. Brasil, 2021.
Open Access Scientific Research (CC BY 4.0).

jamilbio20 [at] gmail [dot] com

## ABSTRACT

Since European colonisation begun, exotic species have caused problems and concerns on biodiversity loss are currently on the table. We review scientific literature to better understand the role biodiversity plays on global, regional and local scales and whether changes in biodiversity composition affect ecosystem function. We also analyse various Red Lists and reports from world and Brazillian entities. Species of interest can recover if active predation is thwarted and conservation efforts undertaken. We conclude that reports based on Red Lists are exaggerated and there is no threat of biodiversity loss at sight.
Keywords: biodiversity change, anthropic pressure, community ecology


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## Introduction

Threats from environmentalist groups about the effects of climate change are not restricted to the supposed global warming but also include a pleiad of other misfortunes and extreme events that develop simultaneously such as sea level rise, ocean water acidification and, in the tropical and temperate forests, a large loss of biodiversity with drastic extinction of animal and plant species in an uncontrolled manner, even menacing survival of the human species. In this chapter we propose to debate this prediction under the light of science, detached from emotional tension and apocalyptic debate that is propelled by peers from scientific papers and books. Source and complete research of this present paper can be found at the website <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.

Lamarck, Darwin and Wallace are gradualists in their evolution theories. The geologist Niels Eldredge with his observations of fossils in 1972, noticed long and monotonous periods without morphological body modifications of species which periods he coined ‘stasis’ (from static) and hypothesised that the same environment pressures directing extinctions are also responsible for speciation patterns. With that, he formulated the “punctuated equilibrium” theory in which new speciation patterns punctuate long and monotonous periods of biological stasis. Transposable genetic elements (transposons) play a crucial role in this phenomenon.

Environment pressure must reach all the species geographically and morphological change only occurs after genetic evolution and when isolated breeding communities can no longer exchange information with related species (subspecies).

In Darwin’s notes when he transected South America, Brazil and Argentina, in 1832, he wondered whatever the reason for low species diversity of some biological genera. If space were more important than time in the history of life, that could explain species stability in an integrated continental territory such as Brazil over time, in contrast with species related to each other albeit morphologically distinct he observed in archipelagos.

Biological diversity rates can be calculated subtracting speciation and extinction rates over a geographical locality (macroecology) or over time (macroevolution). Since approximately the 1600s, there are well recorded changes in species composition in various areas in the world.

Excluding archaea, bacteria, fungi and virus, that is estimated to be about 1.5-1.9 million described species while the great majority has not been. Total number of terrestrial plants must be greater than 450 thousand. Animal estimates range from 3 to 11 million species on planet Earth, while insects alone can range from 5 to 6 million species. Other authors question the possibility of a plausible estimate when all uncertainties in the number of insects and fungi are taken under account. Marine species are estimated between 700 thousand and 2.2 million, with only approximately 226 thousand described out of those. Observed mean lifetime of invertebrate and vertebrate species is from one to 10 million years.

In geological history, there were five great extinction events, all recorded in the Phanerozoic some 570 million years ago and mostly their conclusion coincided with the start of speciation events. The first great speciation event was the Cambrian Explosion of skeletal marine animals approximately 540 million years ago. The second is called the Great Ordovician Biodiversification Event (GOBE). That would be an excessive simplification to think that a dramatic event unchained big biodiversity pulses in all fossil groups at the global scale in a particular time frame, for example, GOBE was not a single event.

There was biodiversity increase in local richness during Cretaceous (K) and Paleogene (Pg), followed by relative stasis until present terrestrial tetrapods. Stasis pattern in local richness of species before and after the K/Pg frontier was broken by an abrupt increase of two to three times in number of species.

After a time lapse of the order of ten million years after a mass extinction the original level of biodiversity is restored in communities as result of increased speciation rate. Speciation rate apparently culminates roughly ten million years after the end of a mass extinction event and remains accelerated.


## Discussion

Plant production increase has always been linked to local biodiversity gain. In the last decade, there were published papers which go against various conservationism assumptions. Recent analyses refute the link between diversity loss of plant species and ecosystem function and question alleged motivations of current biodiversity conservationism when confronted with experimental results.

In the absence of total habitat conversion, e. g. when a tropical forest becomes a parking lot or a monoculture crop, local plant diversity declined very little or not at all, on average, in the last century (figure 1, upper panel in B and lower panel), nor there is available data that can forecast otherwise in the future. Observed species diversity rates are irrelevant in ecosystem function assessment, e. g. production and nutrient cycling.

Species play more influent roles in the local scale interface. There are as many increases as reductions in biodiversity, specially of plant species, in all scales except global which, arguably, registers decline.



Figure 1. Upper panel: these figures show a plot of LRS (log ratio of species richness) versus log spatial scale, indicating trends (positive is an increase, negative a decrease in richness). Light circles are survey-based data. Dark circles are checklist-based data. Data are presented for (A) terrestrial birds, (B) terrestrial plants, (C) terrestrial mammals and (D) marine fishes during Antropocene. The solid line is the fit from a quadratic ordinary least squares regression and the dashed lines are the 10 and 90% quantiles. Context dependence (scale) allows a wide range of variation for each forcing in whatever direction (Chase, 2019). Lower panel: in comparison, similar graph for plants from Vellend (2017).

Conservation programmes decreed “ecological successes” are opinion of each individual groups and their goals debatable, e. g. how to reconcile conservation efforts that require conflicting resources for various species (even with human beings)? Hairy and feathery animals in the top of the food chain are very much valued by people, however they occupy a more plastic niche (place) in the ecosystem and are less important than animals from the base of the food chain, such as cockroaches, which do not attract as much attention.

Researchers from Rio de Janeiro evaluated restoration plans of hundreds of medium and large-sized localities in South Bahia in which there were vast Eucalyptus forests. Those areas were compared to other tropical restoration areas with regeneration time from half to 200 years. The response of biodiversity ratio in naturally regenerated forests was more similar to reference forests from countries with low, high and very high Human Development Index. This potentially reflects biodiversity restoration projected by the Environmental Kuznets Curve (EKC).

The EKC is used by economists for projecting pollution emission vs per capta income. In early stages of economical growth human impacts increase, including pollution emission, however after reaching certain development levels this trend reverts. When the abscissa axis contains time and the ordinate axis the level of some pollutant, that can be observed an “inverted-U” curve of the pollutant level over time, which is characteristic of EKC.


### RED LISTS AND REPORTS FROM INTERNATIONAL IPBES AND LPI, BRAZILIAN MMA, ICMBio AND IBGE AGENCIES

In primary analysis, some weak points can be verified about WWF Living Planet Index (LPI). In one index from the report, the region with highest ecological footprint is the Neartic (includes United States), whereas the Neotropical region has low ecological footprint. However, the Neartic region, within the confidence levels, practically restores its LPI index to levels close to 1970 marks, whereas the Neotropical region is presented as the worse contributor for the decline in the global index throughout the period of study. In order to conciliate these results, we must resort to EKC.

There was debate in the scientific community about WWF LPI data and assertions which state that more than 50% of animal species had gone extinct in the world. Such an assertion turns out to be an artefact due to less than 3% of the index vertebrate population distorting it. When these extreme decline populations are taken out from the calculation, the global trend turns to increase of species.

There are a couple authoritative lists that register extinct and extinction risk specie names. These lists are used world-wide and are frequently cited reciprocally, however their methodologies are strikingly different. In certain lists, species that were not even properly described or seen only once are considered extinct. Methodological changes that hasten the verdict of extinction of species are problematic, for e. g. mammals are frequently rediscovered, such effect called the “Lazarus effect”.

In 1920, Arrhenius postulated there to exist a positive relation between area and number of species. Wilson & MacArthur formulated the theory of island biogeography in 1967 and Wilson based his allegations between species vs area. However, this relation was put upside down and it was proposed that habitat reduction must change species which in turn supposedly means reduction in the number of population or disappearance of some species, birds and great mammals being more susceptible to extinction. Event though plausible, this postulate became one more artifact amongst modern biologists.

Postulates of more than 27,000 extinctions within the period called Anthropocene by scientists, the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES) and United Nations proved to be extremely exaggerated.

Species subject to colonise only a small area are really not deemed to have a great future, this being the case of most extinct species of the IUCN Red List in the global level, represented mainly by insect and insular species. When European predators (such as rats, snakes, dogs and cats) run across new environments native species died, with 95% of mammal extinctions being from insular and Australian species. The arrival of Europeans to Australia, which territory had been isolated from the continent for the previous 40 million years, was a single event.

Extinction lists from the IUCN Red List, ordinances from Brazilian Ministry of the Environment nº 444 e 445 (17/Dec/2014) and lists produced by the Chico Mendes Institute for Biodiversity Conservation (ICMBio) were analysed in the present paper. Lists from these governmental entities were subsequently used by the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE) in its Ecosystem Accounts from 2020.


Table 1. Number of category changes that occurred between 2007 and 2021, as well as the proportion of criteria with non-genuine (when new data, taxonomic revision and others become available), genuine and hybrid motivations of the IUCN Red List.

Motivation | Changes | Proportion| Improved | Worsened | Same
|------------|:--------:|:---------:|:--------:|:------:|:---:|
Non-genuine | 8288 | 88,31% | 3756 | 4474 | 58
Genuine | 1092 | 11,64% | 163 | 921 | 8
Hybrid | 5 | 0,05% | 5 | 0 | 0
Total | 9385 | 100,00% | 3924 | 5395 | 66


IUCN Red List points 20 species as extinct in Brazil in its Dec/2021 update. Regionally extinct species, such as sharks, may migrate territory without necessarily damaging ecological function. In the Red List, five plant species were observed extinct, all poorly collected and restricted to relatively small patches of Rio de Janeiro state, however their biological families are far from danger (Myrtaceae and Sapotaceae). Still, more recent studies made progress in the ecology of various animal species, such as the scarab Megadytes ducalis, which may aid in its rediscovery.

On the other hand, Brazilian IBGE Ecosystem Accounts (2020) and ICMBio Red Book (2018) present ten extinct animal species in Brazil. From those, five were regionally extirpated (RE) and have got recovery potential in other lands or countries about the world, and therefore ought not to be considered extinct in the global scale.

The only tetrapods that can be considered really extinct (EX) are Noronhomys vespuccii (insular rodent from Fernando de Noronha) and Phrynomedusa fimbriata (frog natural of only Alto da Serra, Paranapiacaba, Santo André-SP). Even with 10% left of the Atlantic Rainforest, only the species Pauxi mitu (sin. Mitu mitu, Alagoas helmeted curassow) is extinct in the wild (EW), and maybe Glaucidium mooreorum (Pernambuco pygmy owl, still listed as critical risk [CR] in the IUCN Red List), both restricted to central Pernambuco state, the latter species discovered in an area of less than 5 Km² and without vocalization records since 2001.

For their turn, Cichlocolaptes mazarbarnetti (Atlantic rainforest Cryptic treehunter, last seen in 2005) and Philydor novaesi (Alagoas foliage-gleaner, considered rare, observed in secondary and selectively logged forests, last seen in 2011) had their category worsened to EX by classification methodologies adopted recently. See Table 1 for motivations of category changes of IUCN Red List species from 2007 to 2021.


## Conclusion

The EKC has received criticism since its inception, partly because of differences in opinions of what pollution is. Other problematic critique revolves about duration of time lapses needed to observe the effect. In general, the EKC reveals that human development sets excessive pollution in check over time and restores environmental levels.

Scrutiny of extinction lists uncovers important nuances for their proper interpretation. In multiple cases their results and deductions are exaggerated. It is noted that IUCN Red List is more dependable than IPBES report because the former uses a more conservative methodology that only counts species with Latin names, in contrast to IPBES which considers species that do not even have got a name. Recent methodology changes made many species to be considered extinct. Brazilian lists also present exaggerated diagnosis, disputably there being only two bird extinctions from Atlantic rainforest. The species vs area relation is not kept when there is habitat reduction.

Conservation efforts help to alleviate or even revert extinctions. As long as species are not insular nor inhabitant of restricted places and not subject to over hunting by invading predator species, such as men, habitat reduction is not an extinction sentence.


Figure 2. Since its inception, life on Earth follows an exponential curve representing the growing number of species (the graph does not take under account the well known mass extinctions) (Maccone, 2013).

Environment pressure benefit some species and harm others and biodiversity did not decline in all levels in all places, arguably even increased in the global level when a small percentage of extreme decline populations (mainly from islands) is taken out from calculations. Ecosystem function do not seem to be hurt, in general, by the observed rapid biodiversity compositional change, specially in the plant and marine domains, even though species homogenisation may be present in the regional and local scales.

Lastly, biodiversity generation follows the first and second laws of thermodynamics for it improves entropy generation and, therefore, increases entropy of the whole system. There is no way we can brake this great biological reactor that is Planet Earth (figure 2)!

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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Free and independent research. Brasil, 2021.
Open Access Scientific Research (CC BY 4.0).
jamilbio20 [at] gmail [dot] com
## ABSTRACT
...

A self-published paper that has a self-contradiction
in the title (i.e. "change" and "not a danger").
promoted by an anonumous poster, Wow.

From more conventional sources:

Even though permanent global species loss is a more dramatic and tragic
phenomenon than regional changes in species composition, even minor
changes from a healthy stable state can have dramatic influence on the
food web and the food chain insofar as reductions in only one species
can adversely affect the entire chain (coextinction), leading to an
overall reduction in biodiversity, possible alternative stable states
of an ecosystem notwithstanding.
-- wikipedia

We can quickly check to see whether there is any known
predator/prey relationship that may fall inder this papergraph.
It doesn't take an AI program to find Polar Bears vs Seals.

It's been well-known for 50 years to population of seals in
the Arctic region has declined precipitously. With our pals
the icebjorn depending on this food source we would therefore
expect this decline to "adversely affect the enture chain" as above.

The data from Canada and Norway seal catches since the 1950s
are as follows:

Year Norway Canada
(annual seal catch in 1000s)
1955 295 81
1960 216 121
1965 140 51
1970 188 40
1975 112 33
1980 60 37
1985 19 5
1990 15 25
1992 14 24
1993 12 10
1994 18 36
1995 15 31
1996 16 58
1997 10 43
1998 9 31
1999 6 6
2000 20 6
2001 n/a 11
2002 10 14
2003 12 9
2004 14 12
2005 21 11
2006 17 .8
2007 8 3
2008 1 .3


So we kinda suspect the article is of the Willie Soon
"deliverables" variety than actual science.
Another tip-off is that science generally talks about
what has been measured and what is possible.
Not what is impossible or supposedly can not exist.
That kinda stuff comes from dishonest people.


'Liars say "I am not a crook" rather than "I am honest" '
Liars use short sentences, the past tense and negative statements
Bella DePaula, professor of psychology at the University of Virginia,
has found, in a study of 3,000 people, that the following clues are
the most useful indicators of whether somebody is lying:
# Lack of specific detail - not volunteering names of people and places
# Short answers
# Using the past tense
# Using negative statements ("not a crook" rather than "honest")
-- http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=1907
--
[Actual science -- not an anonymous self-publication:]

Assessing species vulnerability to climate change

Michela Pacifici, Wendy B. Foden, Piero Visconti, James E. M. Watson,
Stuart H.M. Butchart, Kit M. Kovacs, Brett R. Scheffers, David G. Hole,
Tara G. Martin, H. Resit Ak?akaya, Richard T. Corlett, Brian Huntley,
David Bickford, Jamie A. Carr, Ary A. Hoffmann, Guy F. Midgley, Paul
Pearce-Kelly, Richard G. Pearson, Stephen E. Williams, Stephen G.
Willis, Bruce Young and Carlo Rondinini

Nature Climate change 5,215-224(2015). doi:10.1038/nclimate2448


Abstract:
The effects of climate change on biodiversity are increasingly well
documented, and many methods have been developed to assess species'
vulnerability to climatic changes, both ongoing and projected in the
coming decades. To minimize global biodiversity losses,
conservationists need to identify those species that are likely to be
most vulnerable to the impacts of climate change. In this Review, we
summarize different currencies used for assessing species' climate
change vulnerability. We describe three main approaches used to derive
these currencies (correlative, mechanistic and trait-based), and their
associated data requirements, spatial and temporal scales of
application and modelling methods. We identify strengths and weaknesses
of the approaches and highlight the sources of uncertainty inherent in
each method that limit projection reliability. Finally, we provide
guidance for conservation practitioners in selecting the most
appropriate approach(es) for their planning needs and highlight
priority areas for further assessments.
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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Comments very weak. I will deal with your questions later
.
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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Comments very weak. I will deal with your questions later
LOL. You are the guy too scared to put your name on anything
and posting some unpublished stuff that is contradicted by 6500
publications in science journals around the world every year since 2000.
(See Google scholar).

That is a real example of "very weak comments".

Did you know that was how many scientitific papers -- published in
journals, not on the web -- that research "declining biodiversity"?

This will probably be a surpise to you. I'm a world ranked data scientist
with an actual name: <kaggle.com/kymhorsell1>.

One dataset I worked on 10 y ago tracked the decline in seabird populations
around Canada. This itself is a "loss of biodiversity" according to several
measures.

The data is this:

#canada seabird population millions
#from
#Changes in Canadian seabird populations and
#ecology since 1970 in relation to changes in
#oceanography and food webs
#Anthony J. Gaston, et al
#Environ. Rev. 17: 267?286 (2009)
#doi:10.1139/A09-013
#Published by NRC Research Press
1950 340
1951 335
1952 331
1953 326
1954 322
1955 317
1956 313
1957 308
1958 304
1959 299
1960 295
1961 288
1962 281
1963 274
1964 267
1965 260
1966 253
1967 246
1968 239
1969 232
1970 225
1971 220
1972 215
1973 210
1974 205
1975 200
1976 195
1977 190
1978 185
1979 180
1980 175
1981 172
1982 170
1983 167
1984 165
1985 162
1986 160
1987 157
1988 155
1989 152
1990 150
1991 146
1992 142
1993 138
1994 134
1995 130
1996 126
1997 122
1998 118
1999 114
2000 110
2001 108
2002 107
2003 105
2004 104
2005 102
2006 101
2007 99
2008 98
2009 96
2010 95


10 years ago we could do little but see the data pointed to
a statistically significant trend that was likely to continue
into the future.

But nowadays we can use AI programs to try to figure out what
is the "cause" if the above numbers.

The AI has no problems to figure out the data is for the Arctic region
because many things there are changing in exactly the same way.

No real surprise the program figures out the top 10 things
it can determine from the 10s of 1000s of datasets it has to
play with are:

Dataset Lag Transf R2 Beta stderr
co2 1 loglog 0.91077523 -4.07198 0.279736
arc70 7 0.50969493 -699.343 159.294
arc10 0 0.48133090 -179.408 40.5172
arc100 1 0.42920707 -169.333 42.8601
sstband80 0 0.30213612 -641.046 211.957
minaravgArc 0 0.29682239 -27.9665 9.36477
aravgArcland 0 0.29500044 -33.898 11.4007
arc-10 0 0.29480603 -200.737 67.5443
arc170 0 loglog 0.29162221 -0.882855 0.299354
arc0 0 0.27826122 -120.966 42.3839


So it seems the decline in seabirds is 91% explained by the rise
in atm CO2. I.e. climate change.
For each 1 ppmv of atm CO2 pumped into the atm -- and these
days it increases 3ppmv each year -- about 4 million seabirds
around Canada disappear.

The number 2 and number 3 start to point to specific parts of
the Arctic that seem to explain about 1/2 the decline in Canada
seabirds -- places in the N of Russia and Greenland.
For each 1C NW Russia warms, according to the program,
about 700 million birds around Canda are likely to disappear.

The data shows that about 250 mn Canadian seabirds have already
disappeared. So we might estimate that points to the area
in N Ruaai having warmed around .37C between 1950 and 2010.
If you look it up, that is about the published number.

As I said, between 2000 and 2022 about 3.24 million
papers on biodiversity were published with 150,000 specificially
outlining biodiversity loss in some species in some part of the world.
--
'Liars say "I am not a crook" rather than "I am honest" '
Liars use short sentences, the past tense and negative statements
Bella DePaula, professor of psychology at the University of Virginia,
has found, in a study of 3,000 people, that the following clues are
the most useful indicators of whether somebody is lying:
# Lack of specific detail - not volunteering names of people and places
# Short answers
# Using the past tense
# Using negative statements ("not a crook" rather than "honest")
-- http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=1907
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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Comments very weak. I will deal with your questions later
A self-published paper that has a self-contradiction
in the title (i.e. "change" and "not a danger").
promoted by an anonumous poster, Wow.
LOL. You are the guy too scared to put your name on anything
Dear Mr Kym,

Thanks for trying to comment on my scientific research paper.
Did you read it past the title? I fear the paper is not anonymous,
author name is in the second line. In the website link provided,
there is the curriculum from the author and also the source
of all the research hosted at GitHub under directory scr/ of the
same website... There, you can find all the data used, all the
paper versions and even the raw notes.

You seem to think that Change is Bad. So 'change' and 'not in danger'
are not self-contradiction. Are you the same as a baby you were born?
No you changed and it is OK you are not a baby anymore, so I don't
see your point.

Other than attacking the research title, I could not see any other
questions from you. You are just attacking me because I am just
a speckle of dust in the big beach that is the Universe and you seem
to think you are very important and famous.

A scientific research is already scientific before peer-review,
peer-reviewing does not make something a science. I do this
in my free time and cannot afford paying R$ 1000 bucks to
have this peer-reviewed. Peer-review is rather new in science
and if you get your friends to peer-review you research, does it
really makes the work any worthier? I mean, the true peer review
starts when the work becomes public and everyone has got access to it.

Good luck with your research. Obviously my research go against your
narrative, but that is a difference POV about nature. Mine is
happier.

Cheers,
JSN
R Kym Horsell
2023-01-03 10:47:26 UTC
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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Comments very weak. I will deal with your questions later
A self-published paper that has a self-contradiction
in the title (i.e. "change" and "not a danger").
promoted by an anonumous poster, Wow.
LOL. You are the guy too scared to put your name on anything
Dear Mr Kym,
Thanks for trying to comment on my scientific research paper.
Did you read it past the title?
I am blind. I listen to the text with text-to-voice software.
I listened to the first 20 seconds and could not determine where it
was going so gave up. The title is rather opaque and I presumed it
was some industry-sponsored polemic that we see from time to time on
this group.
R Kym Horsell
2023-01-03 11:28:23 UTC
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# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
Comments very weak. I will deal with your questions later
A self-published paper that has a self-contradiction
in the title (i.e. "change" and "not a danger").
promoted by an anonumous poster, Wow.
LOL. You are the guy too scared to put your name on anything
Dear Mr Kym,
Thanks for trying to comment on my scientific research paper.
Did you read it past the title?
I am blind. I listen to the text with text-to-voice software.
I listened to the first 20 seconds and could not determine where it
was going so gave up. The title is rather opaque and I presumed it
was some industry-sponsored polemic that we see from time to time on
this group.
As a data scientist I make and use AI software a lot.
I'm afraid one program has marked your abstract as a polemic.
While I agree about the Brazil red lists being unreliable
and the 2 or 3 I've seen differing in significant ways and
species being added then removed within a few years, the
key points the s/w pointed at where the several different
email addresses attached to the work, the starting paragraph
that started complaining about "environmentalists",
the list of topics that have nothing to do with biodiversity
being complained of seem a template it has seen in other
industry-sponsered material it has read in the past
(Brazilian beef industry), the the repeated unscientific
negative claims.

Personally I found it a stretch that on the basis of one or other
Red List then there is "nothing to worry about".

Several decades ago I began a small program to create some AI
programs to do "unmanned science". I wont go into the details.
But one of the projects I gave the first software was to see
whether any forested region on earth had flipped from a carbon
sequestering mode to a carbon emitting mode.

The mathematics of this is also beyond the scope of this discussion,
but basically the program treats area region as a process with
inputs and outputs -- the key input being heat as measured by local
temperatures, and the key output being CO2. There are of course other
inputs and outputs but the sofrare uses a Kalman model that
can deal with partial inputs and outputs.

The program quickly found 2 regions in the world that had flipped
sometime between the 1970 and 1980s according to its analysis --
one was the Congo and the other was Brazil.

I posted this research to some people and was gratified a couple
years ago to see an article in Nature confirming that some big
group had found the Congo had become a net emitter of carbon.
I.e. the biodiversity of the plantlife was likely decreasing.

And in the past year I noticed that another group published
in Nature another article finding Amazonia had flipped to
net emitting in (they said) 2016.

These are the kind of evidences I like to follow. I hope anyone
of a supposedly scientific mindset would do the same.
But I find this is not always the case.

As I said -- according to Google Scholar there have been an avg ~6700
peer-revied papers published each year since 2000 on biodiversity decline.
ABout 1/2 of them are about Brazil.
--
Amazonia as a carbon source linked to deforestation and climate ...
Nature, 14 July 2021
The Amazon forest contains about 123 +- 23 petagrams carbon (Pg C) of
above- and belowground biomass, which can be released rapidly and may thus ...

The Brazilian Amazon has been a net carbon emitter since 2016
The Economist, 21 May 2022
Over the past 20 years, the Brazilian Amazon has lost 350,000 square km and
emitted 13% more CO2 than it absorbed. The trend shows little sign of
reversing soon.
castAway
2023-01-04 06:29:46 UTC
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Post by castAway
# Change in Biodiversity Not in Danger
Citation: SONI-NETO, J. Change in biodiversity not in danger. Biodiversity Blog, Dec. 2021. Available at: <https://biodiversidade.github.io/>.
The title is rather opaque [...]
Thanks for your very pertinent comments. That is the first
worthwhile critique that has come so far.
Post by R Kym Horsell
I'm afraid one program has marked your abstract as a polemic.
Perhaps that one programme which marked the abstract as polemic
cannot really understand it well. All these logarithms are
pre-written to follow a set of rules, for example, if we
write "change" and then "not in danger" in the same phrase,
perhaps the algorithm thinks that is a semantics contradiction.
However that must be the case the rules are just incomplete.
Post by R Kym Horsell
While I agree about the Brazil red lists being unreliable
and the 2 or 3 I've seen differing in significant ways and
species being added then removed within a few years
Indeed, that is a little worrying the methodologies used
in these lists change too frequently. That does not only
happen with the Brazilian lists, it should be noted.
Post by R Kym Horsell
the starting paragraph
that started complaining about "environmentalists",
the list of topics that have nothing to do with biodiversity
being complained of seem a template
That is very pleasing to know the first paragraph from the
intro differs in style from all others. You are right in most
of your observations. Let me explain briefly why that is:
indeed the book editor the research was originally
made to be published in asked whether he could write the first
paragraph from the introduction section of the research for his
book, and he did only mention of a lot of subjects that are not
directly linked to biodiversity subject.

In retrospective, I agree that paragraph fits the research
better only in the book context, which do talk about those
other subjects, but that paragraph may be unnecessary
in a stand-alone paper as published here on USENET.
Specially because I know many people would not take those
facts for granted because, for e.g. environmentalists
are generally believed to make more good than bad. I would
make the distinction here between the bad environmentalists
and the more correct ecologist people..
Post by R Kym Horsell
it has seen in other
industry-sponsered material it has read in the past
(Brazilian beef industry), the the repeated unscientific
negative claims.
I believe the negative facts you are referring here are
the ones described in the first paragraph from the
introduction. It should be noted that it is claimed that
environmentalists are the ones who make terrible forecasts,
and unscientific negative claims.
Post by R Kym Horsell
Personally I found it a stretch that on the basis of one or other
Red List then there is "nothing to worry about".
Certainly nobody is for species extinctions, however the
research merely says extinctions are almost out of control
of humans. But surely, humans can try and save human-interest
animals. That is a *human condition* we should eat other
animals and use them as resources. I have seen a research
some time ago saying humans have hunted the bigger preys
to the brink of extinction from the very start in human history
and our preys have gotten smaller over time.
Post by R Kym Horsell
I am blind. I listen to the text with text-to-voice software.
I listened to the first 20 seconds and could not determine where it
was going so gave up.
Hey, sorry to hear you are blind.. That is good to know you can
deal with most your software needs, if not all, through the aid
of technology. That really shows a lot of effort and courage
from yourself. Very much admirable.
R Kym Horsell
2023-01-04 12:14:11 UTC
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That is very pleasing to know the first paragraph from the
intro differs in style from all others. You are right in most
indeed the book editor the research was originally
made to be published in asked whether he could write the first
paragraph from the introduction section of the research for his
book, and he did only mention of a lot of subjects that are not
directly linked to biodiversity subject.
...

I'm still not taking this piece too seriously.
There are too many indicators it is "motivated research"
aka engineering rather than pure science.

But time is pressing us all. Whoever better get that book
published before the NY Times starts writing too many articles like:

Has the Amazon Reached Its `Tipping Point'?
The New York Times, 04 Jan 2023 10:08Z
Some Brazilian scientists fear that the Amazon may become a grassy
savanna -- with profound effects on the climate worldwide.

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